Leadership 2050: Andrew White and Thomas Hübl

'Systemic trauma is the elephant in the room.'

In episode 6 of Leadership 2050 Andrew talks to modern mystic Thomas Hübl about the business benefits of personal spiritual work and trauma-informed leadership.

Thomas Hübl is a renowned teacher and author whose work integrates ancient wisdom with the discoveries of science. He is the founder of the Academy of Inner Science, which studies the principles of human inner development. Since 2004, he has taught and facilitated programmes with more than 100,000 people worldwide.

Leaders can have a healing effect on their organisation.

He is at the forefront of bringing spiritual practices and teaching to the business world to revolutionise leadership. Trauma-informed leadership, believes Thomas, makes organisations more resilient, supportive, effective and less damaging to people and the planet. It’s a new way of doing business that puts moral values at the heart of a company’s work.

Originally a paramedic for nine years and a student of medicine for four, Thomas left his studies at the University of Vienna to spend four years on retreat, leading to a new path teaching meditation and mindfulness-based practices. Opening dialogue around some of the most painful atrocities and collective traumas our world has experienced is at the heart of Thomas’s work. His non-profit, the Pocket Project, works to support the healing of collective trauma throughout the world.


Leadership 2050 is a podcast exploring the leadership we need to successfully transition to 2050. Who are the innovators setting the agenda for a more equal and sustainable future? In each episode Andrew talks to a visionary leader from the business community who is confronting the challenges humanity faces and finding solutions.

Andrew's research and teaching focuses on how leaders transcend 21st century challenges such as disruptive technology change and the climate crisis. Also, how they create cultures that are diverse, inclusive, resilient and high performing, alongside the ongoing challenge of delivering profitable growth. At Oxford he directs the Oxford Advanced Management and Leadership Programme, and works with leaders from industry and governments across the world.